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Journal Entry: Sun Nov 4, 2012, 8:33 PM
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Let me start this off by saying that I love nudity.  I especially love female nudity.  I think that there is probably no better art form than the female body.  I befriend dozens of nude models and photographers of nude models here in dA.  I believe that there is a line; however, to where nudity (especially here in dA) can be used for purposes other than art.  I don't think that pictures that border on the pornographic have any place here in this community.  Some argue that you can interpret what is and isn't an art form, but who is to say what is right and wrong? I always reply that I can walk up and slap someone in the face and blame the act on it being art.  I still think the person being slapped is going to vehemently disagree.  Let me show you a few photos from the community that are what I think is artistic nudes.  


It is just my opinion, but the above set of pictures are what I consider artistic nudes.  Now the below set of pictures should demonstrate what I am talking about when it comes to pictures that stop being artistic and border on the pornographic.  



It is baffling to me how deviantART allows children to be a part of this community, and will allow the slimy works you see here.  I know there is a bloody parental guidance button or setting, but not all children are dumb and they can find out how to get past it.  I just think it is disgusting that they allow some of the stuff that they do.  This is the big reason that I haven't let either of my daughters have an account here yet.  I wish deviantART would strengthen its standards and get rid of pictures that are not art and just plain pornographic or sexual in nature.  
Just yesterday I had to chastise a new deviant for using a nude picture for an avatar! I turned them in to deviantART and the avatar was changed.  I would like to finish by saying sorry to my younger watchers, and I hope you have your parental settings on :lol: I promise not to post nudes on my front page any more.  Just wanted to make a point...



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mixdouble Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Hello...Dragonchest…
saw a link on Canan's page to here...
Let me make a statement:

"There are no borders...
only humans...
where the humans make a border...
there it is"...

Art is defined different at all times in all cultures...
Nude likewise...
even Concern differs...!

You are missing quality and clarity...
So: Define first:
You feeling punished by a lack of “clear” laws concerning nude/porn...
does not give you any right to punish (back)...

I guess you want to improve DA…and your Society…
Remember you are also a teacher here…
Other people will listen and they will learn…
How do you do you½…?
I am a grown up…I am set…many others are not…
Do you want us to think for ourselves…
Or do you want to dictate…

For me you can bee "nude"( honest) in your comments...and or "rude"...
it is your choice...your expression...your art...
and mine to recieve or reject it...
Yes...even commenting is an art form...!



There are two kinds of law:
Civil...
where you are innocent until proven guilty...
and Traffic...
where you are guilty until proven Not guilty...

Many people raise themselves...
only by the latter in their daily life:

Traffic law makes a poor society of: "Don't get caught"...!

Moral and Ethics are based on the civil system...!
1: Making laws...
2: Judging...
3: Upholding the law...

DA is American...
There is a GREAT confusion between:
Art Police...
Art judges...
and Art law makers...

Most of the people you see here on DA are:

Art police(appointed by themselves)...
making their own personal laws...
and judging you on the spot...
no trial...!

2 concerned people...does not make it 2 times more concerned...
it is called mobbing...

I have a definition…it is now for you to ponder:

sex...
Eros...
Love...

Greetings Jakob.
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Professional Writer
I like where you say that even commenting is an art form, which is akin to my description of slapping someone silly and calling it art. I would bet you that the person being slapped will disagree. I have stated that I have no problem with nudity and art. I love most nude art. I think that a line is crossed when a ten year old girl turns on the computer and is greeted by a big gaping vagina. Sorry sir, but that is that. I do not police nor mob anybody here in dA. None of the pictures that I posted as examples of crossing the line were never commented on by me, turned in to dA by me, and certainly not favorited by me. I do not bug anybody here whether their art is over the top or not! Now there are a few idiots who try and get by with using avatars with nudity in them, and that is strictly forbidden by dA. Sure other cultures have different social morays and folkways when concerning sex and nudity, but most all civilized societies would never expose a child to it!
Thank you kindly for your point of view, and I wish you well...

David
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Orkideh84 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Agreed, snapshots are hardly artistic and too many times, many nude pictures are very close into pornography....
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Professional Writer
I have no problem with some nudity in pictures or artwork. I think my concern lies with the fact that thousands of children have accounts on this site, and to allow pictures of a sexual nature is not what I would think is good for a child. Thanks for your input...
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Canankk Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
Please check my poll [link] :love:
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Professional Writer
Going to it right now... :excited:
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floriaiglenoir Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist
..I am agreeing totally with Your sayings about this subject,David:iconlovenodplz:I think there's a big difference between Art Nude and Pornography,I have benn really shocked sometimes,to "stumble"on obscene photos,that have REALLY nothing to do with Art,and I think,they should be banned from this site.:iconthatsrightplz:
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Professional Writer
Yes, it is a shame that deviantART seems to tolerate this stuff! O well :shrug:
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floriaiglenoir Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Hobbyist
...not only a shame,but scandalous,in certain cases,and I "mesure my words",dear David!:phew:
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Canankk Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012
I totally agree with you dear David :nod: :heart:
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Professional Writer
:iconbighugplza::iconbighugplzb:
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NocturneJewel Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012
A very good point, Artistic nudes is a lot different than porn! I only clicked on one picture to see what you mean by porn on here-just for a split second since I'm at the library, and just that split second seeing it bothered me. Yes, I it should be tougher for younger viewers to veiw this porn garbage. :(
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Professional Writer
I feel bad posting these pictures on my page, and wont have them up much longer. I needed to put them here so that my readers could get a good look at some of the garbage that passes as art. What is amusing is that dA does have a policy on not being able to post pictures of a pornographic nature, but I think two persons must be in the act of intercourse for that to take effect. At any rate, thank you for your input dear friend... :hug:
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NocturneJewel Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012
You're very welcome. :hug:
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sesam-is-open Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012
Good point of view, dear Dragon.
I really don't understand, these things have been brought into question many times and I think that instead of so many up-dates, many of them unnecessary, dA should be more concerned about its image.
I have nothing against nudity, but from the nude in art to the "comparative anatomy" is a huge distance.
We should be able someway to announce dA, as yet earned hardly a position, they
seem not so interested to keep it!
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Professional Writer
It is baffling to say the least dear friend. Thanks so much for your input... :heart:
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sesam-is-open Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012
My pleasure, David:hug:
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randomlyinspired-21 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Student Writer
You're so right! :)

To be honest, I'm only 15 years old and I have a younger brother here in dA. Actually, I'm not one of those teens who could take this in a way that could make me smile, and I'm a bit sensitive to photos close to porn (of course my parents are too), but the artistic nudes that show a sculpture-like artistry is more than okay to see for me (problem is I'm in that stage where I have a hard time telling the difference, and I full-heartedly admit that. Even my parents think it's a big issue). Plus, I'm not sure if there are more artistic nudes than porn anymore simply because...well I accidentally stumbled across some artwork that isn't necessarily artwork. And the incidents increase on a daily basis now...

Since my younger brother and I have a baby sister of two years of age, my brother insists on her having a dA someday by the time she grows older. Me-I'm having second thoughts. Plus she's starting to love crayons and watch me and my brother use dA so it's both a joy and a scare... what would happen to her when she experiences what I experienced in dA?

Sometimes I doubt if those filters are enough to provide security for the young deviants simply because all you have to do is to press the button and POOF! You're exposed! I personally think dA should have a better security system. Or better yet: deviants should think MORE THAN TWICE before posting anything. DeviantArt is a place where almost everyone is welcome, young and old, to share ART and connect with each other, not destroy each other...

wow, I really sound like I'm ranting, don't I? XD But still I'm really concerned about this issue and I know it's been a debate in deviantArt for quite some time now and this really needs a solution. Thanks a bunch for this journal entry! Definitely has a point! ^^
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Professional Writer
Thanks so much for your input. I agree that the filters aren't a big help. I am glad to hear from a teenager, as it really does help to put all this in better perspective.
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randomlyinspired-21 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Student Writer
My pleasure; was a good thing I let that all out. :)
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Kay-March Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
Long debates on this matter, you are right on the spot of course for everything. I for instances have no problems with art showing nudity, however I've come acrossed with some postings here on DA that are clearly porn, that surprised me, "DA turned into a chat of porn meetings"
I can only say that parents should be more aware of what they're children are watching, things can turn wrong even here, teaching them from young age that the ways of the world are what they are... DA too should be more aware of the postings.
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional Writer
I am going to let my daughter have an account here, as she is turning 13 soon. My sister always tells me that I can't protect them from everything, but it is just the way I am I guess. My problem with these outlandish pictures are that I do not see any artistic quality in them. As always, I appreciate your comments my sweet adorable friend... :hug:
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Kay-March Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012
You're just a good goose parent... of course they aren't in any instances "artistic" - they are so far from it that they're book is Xx or what else they call them.
Think the best thing to do is being parent and friend for our children and showing them as we can the predators and dangerous of our society as long with beauty. Unfortunately the ugly is here too. :hug:
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Sallinillas Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You are so right David!
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Thank you so much for the feature. :hug:
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional Writer
Thank you Nilla... :hug:
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lombregrise Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional Writer
Si j'écris un texte, bien tourné, sur le néant et ses conséquences émotionnelles dévastatrices, en me me définissant comme nihiliste, on me jettera des fleurs. Si je photographie une superbe femme nue, on me jettera des pierres.

Quelle logique dans tout cela ?

:)
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Victorian-Dandy Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Totally agree with you David, I mean I enjoy looking at a naked form be it a male or even a female when done artistically but shots that only a gynecologist etc could get excited over makes me want to vomit and can also be very triggering for those that suffer from Gender Dysphoria.
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional Writer
Very good point. Like I say, it baffles me how deviantART can tolerate some of these "so called" works of art...
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Aussie-Blonde Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
oh David... i know what u mean!
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional Writer
:hug: How is Mr. Fry doing? :P
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Aussie-Blonde Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
he is doing really good David.... the fur has half grown back and only the other day did the scab full off..its taken a while:D but he is looking good, does get nervous at certain cars going past... he tenses up if u have him in your arms.. but he is safely indoors all the time now.
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Professional Writer
That is wonderful to hear. Hope to see some new pictures soon... :aww:
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Aussie-Blonde Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012
that is something i hardly done since he was in the accident... yes i must do that:D:D
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DragonsChest Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Professional Writer
:excited:
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